Web Analytics Xchange Interview: Shubhra Shivrasta of Nokia


One of the huddle leaders in this year’s upcoming Web Analytics Xchange conference is Shubhra Shivrasta of Nokia who will be leading the conversation around the topic of Creating a 360 degree view of the Customer. I got a chance to catch up with Shubhra to talk with her on many topics including her analytics background, Nokia and the Xchange conference.

[Manoj]: Can you give us some background in regards to your career in analytics and online measurement

[Shubhra Shivrasta]: I started my career at Fedex as a business forecasting analyst and then worked at Acxiom dealing with consumer transaction data and developing statistical models for clients in the credit card, insurance and risk industries.

From there I moved to Intercontinental hotels in the field of database marketing and spent several years optimize spend on marketing promotions in the off-line world, segmentation and targeting were the tools we used primarily to determine who to contact and how for the highest ROI.

Now at Nokia for the last year and a half, we are building the infrastructure to take Nokia to the next level of analytics. We have transaction data, we have web data and now we have mobile data – how do people use Nokia phones, what services do they use, when do they churn, how are multi service users different from single service users – all this broken out by country, language, devices gives us such a wealth of information !!! (probably what my kids feel when we visit the Toys’R'Us flagship store in Times Square once a year) – should we do this analysis or that or that….

[Manoj]: At Nokia your team captures a lot of data relating to your users’ mobile experience, what’s the biggest difference you find when comparing mobile metrics/user experiences vs. website metrics/users experiences?

[Shubhra Shivrasta]: Some of the key difference are in the amount of data captured from web to mobile. Mobile technology is still developing and we still face many concerns from developers on how to make sure the pages are as lite as possible. Will performance be impacted in developing countries in page load times etc, so our ability to capture data is limited. The method of data collection is also limiting resulting in mobile metrics being fewer than what we can capture on the web.


Mobile pages and sites are also designed to be more action oriented (download an application, download a song, register etc) than informational – so we track a lot more of what actions people took on the mobile site, where as on web it is about time spent, what content was browsed etc.

Mobile data is much more pertinent to where users are – location based, time based – you use your phone for navigation, downloading music, applications, where as the web data is a lot more dependent on when you are on the computer (when we track visits in a day – the web data shows a very predictable curve every day, while mobile data is a lot more volatile).

[Manoj]: Tell us a little bit about your huddle at Xchange and what you hope the attendees will take away from it

[Shubhra Shivrasta]: This huddle will discuss how to tie all sources of data together, so you can see what your customer is doing and how they interact with your company instead of seeing what a visitor does on a website, or how much money customer x spends on this day buying a given product. Only when we see our customers as people like us, will we understand what the key drivers are for their behaviour. This gives us the knowledge to know which levers to turn(web re-design, price optimization or email segmentation) to make which action actually happen (higher conversion, higher roi or higher response rate) and is the start of a longer lasting relationship with our customer base that are loyal and engaged.

[Manoj]: As a veteran in this industry what are some of the biggest changes you’ve see in content measurement in your career

[Shubhra Shivrasta]: The key areas that have grown are the acceptance of becoming data driven. Moving from reporting to analysis (though a lot of companies are still reporting and think they are analyzing). The understanding that all touch-points need to be analyzed, but it all has to come together also to create synergy for the corporation. The acceptance of testing as a mainstream activity than a scientific experiment as it use to be a decade ago.

[Manoj]: Which other huddles are you going to attend during Xchange?

[Shubhra Shivrasta]: That is a very difficult choice and I have not made up my mind yet, most of them look pretty good to me.

X Change – Interview with Francis Lavelle of HowStuffWorks.com

SemPhonic’s Web Analytics X Change is only a month away and is considered one of the top analytics events around. X Change consists of small group conversational “huddles” where participants get to talk and work with leading experts. Earlier this week I was able to catch up with Francis Lavelle to get his insight on X Change and the “huddle” he will be leading.


[Manoj]: What are your responsibilities at HowStuffWorks.com?

[Francis Lavelle]: As the Director of Analytics I am responsible for maintaining accurate and actionable data and working with our analytics team to support Sales, Product and Marketing to optimize the business through analysis.

[Manoj]: Can you discuss the importance of taking SEO measurement to the next level, so rather than measuring visits/rankings – looking at paths, comparisons against other mediums, level of engagement and other insightful data.

[Francis Lavelle]: It amazes me that SEO measurement has traditionally lacked the same amount of analysis and rigor that companies put into SEM and other for pay marketing campaigns. As search (SEO) continues to grow as a percentage of website traffic, companies should know more than the basic KPIs (i.e. site visits, top entry pages and top keywords) from natural Search. When a company invests money in a new piece of content they have created an asset and if they collect the right data they can understand the performance and ROI of that asset. At HSW we have set up our analytics to make the measurement of each and every piece of content possible. We also look to understand what types of content perform best not only in SEO but also in driving additional engagement with our website.

[Manoj]: What are the best ways to measure meaningful traffic from Facebook and Twitter.

[Francis Lavelle]: There is a lot of traffic coming from Twitter and Facebook all of which we are delighted to receive. For campaign driven traffic we have specific tracking codes depending on whether people are referred to the site from one of our facebook widgets, the HSW fan page or a tweet from our marketing team. This allows us to gauge the effectiveness of our programs on the two sites.

We have also had success tracking the share & recommend activity on our site which is posted back to facebook and twitter. When measuring this traffic it’s important not only to measure incoming traffic but also how users are posting content back to their feeds. To do this we trigger specific success events every time a visitor retweets or throws back content. This allows us to create conversion ratios looking at visits per throwback for all of our content and content types.

[Manoj]: What is your favorite topic in analytics right now?

[Francis Lavelle]: I still really enjoy the basics of the business. For me it has always been about finding ways to optimize the site and grow revenue. I think as an industry people (myself included) tend to spend too much time on the latest buzz and forget to focus on the data that allows us to run really successful businesses.

[Manoj]: How do you like the setup of Xchange – huddles vs. sessions, it’s a very unique process compared to other conferences.

[Francis Lavelle]: The huddle format is excellent. This is my third year at xchange and the ability to really discuss topics with colleagues who are pushing the envelope and are willing to share findings is invaluable. Every year I come away with new insights that are directly applicable to our business. I also really like that Gary and Eric have conscientiously made an effort to get huddle leaders who are the actual practitioners of analytics instead of vendors and agency consultants. It’s nice to hear directly from the front lines.

X Change Interview: Dennis Bradley of Charles Schwab

Semphonic is getting ready to host it’s second annual X Change conference in San Francisco, California. X Change consists of small group conversational “huddles” where participants get to talk and work with leading experts. One of Xchange’s huddle leaders will be Dennis Bradley of Charles Schwab. Dennis is the Director of Web Analytics at Charles Schwab & Co., Inc. and is responsible for leading web analytics reporting, analysis and maintenance on Schwab.com. Dennis was also featured in a interview by Semphonic which you can check out below:

Could you describe your role at Charles Schwab?

I manage web analytics from the business side for Schwab.com and several other associated websites. I own the vendor relationship with Omniture and partner internally with several marketing teams (Marketing Analytics, Online Marketing, Paid Search, Media, etc.), technology, and other organizations to best use web analytics to help answer key business questions via operational reporting and deep dive analyses. I also manage our business relationship with SEMphonic, who assist us in our goal to fully leverage web analytics internally.

How long have you been doing web analytics?

I have been actively involved in web analytics for about 3 years; my first exposure to web analytics was attending eMetrics in Santa Barbara 4 years ago. We have actively been using web analytics at Schwab for 2 ½ years.

Can you tell us a little about the technology you’re using – and how that’s evolving – both in terms of web analytics and the online measurement eco-system?

Our initial focus has been 2-pronged: Designing reports to meet basic data needs and answer simple questions & delivering 1-2 analyses/quarter that help answer deeper business questions and suggest actions to improve results going forward. We socialized this data across our marketing organization and began to create both more demand and support for using web analytics to make business decisions. We began to hit the limits of what that tool could offer and have recently begun implementing a more advanced tool that will allow us to deliver more value to our key decision makers.

Your first Huddle topic is Bridging the Gap from Web Analytics to Marketing: What led you to pick that?

This has been a big focus over the last 6-9 months for me and 2 key internal partners, Kevin Chan and Risa Dimacali. To more fully leverage web analytics, we needed the marketing team to build us into their processes and make analytics part of the before, during and after of their campaigns and strategy. We have made a lot of progress but still have a ways to go; we look forward to comparing notes and sharing the successes and failures during this huddle.

You’re also doing a Huddle on “Justifying the need for advanced analytical tools;” tell me a little about that?

This is another topic that has been a huge focus over the past year. We were beginning to bump up against the limits of our tool and we were unable to answer some key business questions. As we made the case to be part of the marketing process from beginning to end, we needed to deliver more value. By clearly articulating what we could deliver to the decision making process with more advanced tools, we made the case to pilot what we hope will be a major success story.

Of the other Huddles at X Change, are there some you’re particularly keen on?

I am very interested in several of Dylan Lewis’ Huddles, especially establishing a web analytics center of excellence and testing strategies on the internet. Also, Ron Pinsky’s Data Collection Huddle and David Yoakum’s Personalization and remarketing Huddles sound compelling.

What do you see as the biggest challenges facing enterprise web measurement in the next year?

A few of the biggest challenges I see are:

  • Integrating data, both across channels and across technologies, & making it actionable
  • Continuing to prove that data can drive $’s
  • Not letting vendor consolidation, and the resulting infrastructure work, slow progress

Xchange: Interview with Linda Hetcher of Avaya

Semphonic is getting ready to host it’s second annual X Change conference in San Francisco, California. X Change consists of small group conversational “huddles” where participants get to talk and work with leading experts. One of Xchange’s huddle leaders will be Linda Hetcher of Avaya. Linda is a Senior Manager at Avaya responsible for Web Analytics and Optimization, Natural and Paid Search Program Assessments, Voice of the Customer and On-line Usability Studies for the company’s global Internet site. Linda was also featured in a interview by Semphonic which you can check out below:

Tell us a little bit about your background and how you got involved in web analytics?

I began my career as an educator in Physics and Mathematics. Once I finished graduate school and received my Master degree in Computer Science, I wanted to apply my skills in the business of Information Management.

It was an optimum time to make the change as the field was growing in all areas including the Web. I was able to build my experience in both large and small firms in the area of technical marketing, professional services and application design. Moving to Web Analytics was a natural extension to what I had been doing.

What can you tell us about your responsibilities at Avaya?

My team is responsible for Global Web Analytics for the marketing organization in Avaya. Our efforts support both a centralized and regional model for our clients looking to monetize their efforts in branding, lead generation and thought leadership facets of their programs. The intelligence provided to them through analytics allows them to validate or change the way business is done.

What would you say are the key challenges associated with managing a global web analytics team?

Aside from the logistical ones, it’s understanding what can be leveraged
globally vs. what is unique to a region. Priorities are different from region to region based on the market demands, competition, program investment and specific customer requirements. Success comes from finding what is common and reusable, keeping in mind that things such as translation requirements and tools that adequately support multiple languages are imperative to our program’s progress.

Can you tell us a little about the technology you’re using? We met at an OpinionLab event where you spoke so I assume you’re using VOC technology, and I can see both HBX and SiteCatalyst code on your web site. What else is in your arsenal?

We are focused on VOC, usability assessment, traffic and behavior analysis and have robust SEO and SEM programs in place. As mentioned in the question answered above our choices must support a global model.

When we talked you sounded excited about coming to the X Change. While I know you’re new to the event, what are you looking forward to?

The thing that attracted me is that X Change sounded like the “ultimate birds-of-a-feather” event. If you are a believer that no one of us is as smart as all of us, linking up with like-minded individuals with similar challenges and questions seemed to be a very viable way to learn and gather new ideas.

You’ve seen the entire line-up of huddles at X Change, what other conversations are you hoping to join?

The choice will be difficult as there are so many good ones being offered. I will try to blend all three tracks (people, process and technology)

When we first met you mentioned you had a background in teaching. How would you say that background helps you in your current job?

Actually it’s been helpful in every position I have had. In fact, I firmly believe that being involved in Web analytics means we are in the business of education. That translates into educating ourselves and members of the team continually through forums, books, events, research, webinars, etc. We then leverage that knowledge and share it with our constituents in everything from developing strategies, processes and in acting as a consultative resource.

Measuring Social Media with Web Analytics at XChange Conference

Post by: Marshall Sponder – author of www.Webmetricsguru.com and frequent blogger at www.Smartmobs.com, and www.biggreenblog.com.

Recently, I wrote a post on Smartmobs.com titled Strategies for Applying Web Analytics to Social Media and mentioned the Semphonic XChange Conference on September 20th and 21st in Napa Valley, which is going to be focusing, quite a bit, on Social Media Measurement.
Manoj Jasra, the author of this blog, is also going to present at XChange, as will I (and Manoj asked me if I would be interested in posting, from time to time here at Web Analytics World …. and how could I pass this opportunity up?)

Aside from the wonderful scenery and great wine we’ll be drinking as we soak up the Northern California Sun, here’s a list of the Symphonic XChange Sessions that focus on Social Media Measurement:

  • Social Network Analysis facilitated by Manoj Jasra
  • Measuring Second-Life by Marshall Sponder

I’m looking forward to hearing Manoj’s presentation on Social Network Analysis … all HANDS ON Stuff …not the fluffy stuff you get at SES and Webmasterworld (recycled presentations and stories that without the actual steps and data taken)….what you get at XChange is the real stories of how it was done and how to do it …. what Web Analysts do to get the data, the issues that come up and ways to harness Web Analytics to solve business problems.

We’re also coming together to share knowledge – and I bet many attendees will share their experiences with Social Media Measurement – often we learn most by sharing and hearing what others are doing.

The subject I’m going to speak about is Second Life Metrics using a combination of of techniques and methodologies including Web Analytics (Coremetrics / Surfaid), In World Analytics (Code4Software’s V-Tracker), Online Lead Tracking (Seibel/Brio), In World Survey Data (using Questionnaires, both In World and “Punch through web forms”, Online Event Tracking and Buzz Monitoring of Second Life Events via Social Media Crawlers such as Blogpulse, Google Trends/HotTrends, to name a few.

I’ve never really been to Napa Valley before – but like I said, I love the wine, and I bet the food at COPIA http://www.copia.org/ is pretty darn good – maybe better than good.

And as many of you might know, I author http://www.webmetricsguru.com/, where I write a great deal about Second Life and other 3D Virtual Worlds as an adjunct to Web Analytics.

Also, this spring, I was elected to the Board of the Directors of the Web Analytics Association as the Director of the Social Media and Community Committee of the WAA. The Social Media Committee is working on creating a standards definition for Social Media Measurement – and if you come to the XChange Conference you get to hear all about it. We even rolled our own, white label Social Network, invite only, for members of the Social Media Committee to communicate with each other and collaborate in real time.

So, all of that, plus some neat presentations and real, hands on knowledge will be at the Semphonic XChange Conference on September 20th and 21st, which you can sign up for here, before it’s sold out.